Date:08/05/93 Page:1 JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY:HSCA RECORDNUMBER:180-10089-10189 RECORDS SERIES: NUMBERED FILES AGENCYFILENUMBER:000671 DOCUMENT INFORMATION Reference ORIGINATOR :HSCA FROM :LAWSON,BELFORD TO :TANENBAUM,ROBERT K. TITLE copy! JNTAPED TELEPHONE INTERVIEW OF JANUARY 10,1977,WITH NATHAN POOL DATE:01/12/77 JFK PAGES Collection: SUBJECTS POOL,NATHAN COMLINSON, D.C. MAGIC BULLET PARKLAND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL ESCA DOCUMENTTYPE:MEMORANDUM CLASSIFICATION :U RESTRICTIONS S:OPEN IN FULL (RG 233) CURRENT STATUS :O ATEOFLASTREVIEW:'05/12/93 OPENING CRITERIA: COMMENTS: ox17. [R]-ITEM IS RESTRICTED --- PAGE BREAK --- REPRODECED AT THE NATIOXAL.ARCHIVES JFK ASSASSINATION SYTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM CMATTON Routing Slip Reference copy; :009671 NO. DATE Januar t219i7 Poal Document I.D.Itexvien w/ Nkan JFK Collection: Robert Blakey Abthan Gary Cornweli Kenneth Klein Charlie Mathews Ionlinson .C. Jim wolf Single Rallet Yery Donovan Gay Jackie Hess Pristine Bullet Cliff Fenton ESCA (RG 233) Wounds-IFk Team #1 Wounds-Couely Team#2 Pankland Kosotal Team #3 strefehermormect Team #4 Team#5 Form #2 --- PAGE BREAK ---let Yery Donovan Gay Jackie Hess Pristine Bullet Cliff Fenton ESCA (RG 233) Wounds-IFk Team #1 Wounds-Couely Team#2 Pankland Kosotal Team #3 strefehermormect Team #4 Team#5 Form #2 --- PAGE BREAK --- Rsearch 009671 MEMORANDUM TO: Robert.K.Tanenbaum, Deputy Chief, JFK Task Force FROM: Belford Lawson,Staff Counsel DATE: January12,1977 SUBJECT: Untaped Telephone Interview of January 10,1977, with Nathan Pool, employee of Otis Elevator Company, who was sent to Parkrand Hospital to run the elevator while JFK and Connally were in the Hospital Reference Circumstances of Pool's Assignment to Parkland and Arrival at the Hospital. Mr.Pool was working at the cOPY Great National Life Insurance Building (GNLIB) when he heard a report indicating that President Kennedy had been shot. Mr. M. E. Flesner, District Service Manager JFK of the Otis Elevator Company, called Mr. Pool and instructed him to go to Parkland Hospital to make sure there was Collection: no trouble with·the elevator. Mr.Pool recalls that he had begun eating lunch at approximately ll:30 and.had finished lunch and returned to work when he received the assignment to report to Parkland.The GNLIB is approximately one mile away from HSCA Parkland. Pool drove, reaching the hospital at approxi- mately l:00 p.m.at the Hines Boulevard entrance.He was cleared to drive back to the emergency room parking (RG area and was cleared to enter the hospital by Mr. Wright; Chief of Security at Parkland. 233) He places his arrival at the Hines Boulevard entrance at l:oo p.m. and he estimates his arrival at the emergency room elevator at l:l5 p.m. Po6l's Co-Discovery of the "Tomlinson" Bullet; Sur- room, Pool was personally taken back to the elevator by what Pool alleges was a Secret Service agent who intro- duced Pool to a second person who Pool alleges was also a Secret Service agent.The second agent instructed to Pool to permit no riders to board the elevator without prior clearance by the second agent.Pool described the second agent as 5'8", 170 pounds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency room level and remained there throughout most or all of Pool's stay.ent as 5'8", 170 pounds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency room level and remained there throughout most or all of Pool's stay. --- PAGE BREAK ---nds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency room level and remained there throughout most or all of Pool's stay. --- PAGE BREAK --- ASSASSINATIONSYSTEM Memorandum Page2 January12,1977 At the time of his arrival at the elevator itself, Pool noticed a single stretcher standing immediately beside the elevator door,near the wall but not close to or parallel to it.Pool remembers that the stretcher had sheets on it,one that was balled-up on a tray be- neath the upper surface and one crumpled bloody sheet that covered one-half of that surface area.At this time Pool also recognized D.C. Tomlinson,a Senior Engineer at the hospital plant who had been on duty in the elevator as of approximately l:00 p.m.Since January of 196l, Pool's elevator maintenance route had eference included Parkland, and as a result he knew Tomlinson very well. Prior to his discovery of the bullet, Pool recalls that he and Tomlinson gave another person a ride up to coPY either the second or third floor.Pool cannot remember who the person was except to identify him as a third Secret Service agent.This was the only use of the FK elevator Pool remembers being involved with before he discovered the bullet.Pool then recounts the following. Collection: Upon returning to the first floor, Tomlinson and Pool exited from the elevator.As they stood in the hallway in front of the elevator, they noticed that the same stretcher which Pool had noticed when he first arrived was still in the same disorderly position.. They then decided to push the stretcher so that its long side ESCA would stand flush with the wall next to this elevator. Pool cannot recall a specific reason for moving the （RG stretcher other than to get it out of the way, nor can he remember who pushed the stretcher first.He definitely 233) recalls that the bullet was not visible on the surface ofthe stretcher. Pool heard an object fall from the stretcher.as the stretcher was pushed. Pool bent over to pick it up and discovered a bullet which,based on his familiarity with guns, he judged to be a 6mm, i.e.less than a 30-30 cali- ber.He described the bullet as bronze, long, pointed, and smooth and gave this interviewer the opinion that the bullet didn't look like it had hit anything and didn't look like it had been in anything.. A Secret Service agent was within ten feet when Pool delivered the bullet: Pool gave the bullet to Tomlinson who in turn gave it to either a Secret Service agent or to the security officer, Wright.Pool does not remember to whom Tomlinson delivered the bullet because Tomlinson went around a corner to deliver it.in turn gave it to either a Secret Service agent or to the security officer, Wright.Pool does not remember to whom Tomlinson delivered the bullet because Tomlinson went around a corner to deliver it. --- PAGE BREAK --- Memorandum Page3 January 12,1977 Pool worked the elevator until the time of Mrs. Kennedy's departure from the hospital with the JFK casket, then went home, having asked Mr. Tomlinson not to mention his name to anyone. Analysis and Recommendation tradicts or qualifies the testimonyof the Warren Com- Pool'stestimonycon- .mission,D.C.Tomlinson （6 H l28 ff.) in re Tomlinson's assertions that (l) the bullet was visible on top of the stretcher; (2) that two stretchers were parallel to one another at the time Tomlinson discovered the bullet; Reference (3) the Tomlinson had personally placed a.second.stretcher next to the stretcher already in position near the': elevator;(4) that Tcmlinson was alone when he discovered it.Further development of Pool's testimony may _con- firm that a Secret Service agent was for a significant coPy period of time close enough to the elevator to plant a bullet; may lead to an identification of that agent; and will reveal the superficiality of the Warren Commission's JFK approach (N.B.6 H 13l,where Tomlinson switches briefly from I to we; no one asked him what he meant.by we). Collection: Further interviewing of Pool and Tomlinson is re- commended. Approach to PoolHe indicates that he is seldom home (214/544-3323) and asks that we ca11 214/RI8-4533 ESCA (RG 233) during work hours anc page him. BVL/s1b --- PAGE BREAK ---linson is re- commended. Approach to PoolHe indicates that he is seldom home (214/544-3323) and asks that we ca11 214/RI8-4533 ESCA (RG 233) during work hours anc page him. BVL/s1b --- PAGE BREAK --- Date:08/05/93 Page:1 JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY :HSCA RECORDNUMBER:180-10089-10189 RECORDS SERIES NUMBERED FILES AGENCYFILENUMBER:000671 DOCUMENTINFORMATION Reference ORIGINATOR:HSCA FROM :LAWSON,BELFORD TO :TANENBAUM，ROBERT K. TITLE: UNTAPEDTELEPHONE CINTERVIEW OF JANUARY 10，1977,WITH NATHAN POOL JFK Collection: DATE:01/12/77 PAGES:3 SUBJECTS POOL,NATHAN TOMLINSON,D.C. MAGIC BULLET PARKLAND MEMORIALHOSPITAL ESCA (RG 233) DOCUMENT TYPE :MEMORANDUM CLASSIFICATION n RESTRICTIONS OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS O DATE OF LAST REVIEW:05/12/93 OPENING CRITERIA COMMENTS Box 17. --- PAGE BREAK --- REPRODECED AT. THE NATIONAI. ARCHIVES JFK ASSASSINATION SYTEM IDENTIFICATION FORM MATTON Routing Slip Reference copy; :009671 NO。 DATE January 1219i7 Aahan Pool Document I.D.TAtevview XEONT COPY TO JFK RobertBlakey Pool Ahthan GaryCornwell Collection: Kenneth Klein Tonlnson, .C. Charlie Mathews Jim Wolf SingleRullet Yeuy Donovan Gay Jackie Hess Pristine Bullet Cliff Fenton ESCA (RG 233) Team #1 Wounds-lFk Wounds-Couall Team #2 Panhland Masota! Team #3 Team #4 Team#5 Form #2 --- PAGE BREAK ---m Wolf SingleRullet Yeuy Donovan Gay Jackie Hess Pristine Bullet Cliff Fenton ESCA (RG 233) Team #1 Wounds-lFk Wounds-Couall Team #2 Panhland Masota! Team #3 Team #4 Team#5 Form #2 --- PAGE BREAK --- Date:u/u/ Page:1 Rsearch 009671 MEMORANDUM TO: Robert.K. Tanenbaum, Deputy Chief, JFK Task Force FROM: Belford Lawson, Staff Counsel DATE: January 12,1977 SUBJECT: Untaped Telephone Interview of January 10, 1977,* with Nathan Pool,employee of Otis Elevator Company,who was sent to Parkland Hospital to run the elevator while JFK and Connally were in the Hospital Reference copy; Circumstances of Pool's Assignment to Parkland and Arrival at the Hospital.Mr.Pool was working at the Great National Life Insurance Building (GNLIB) when he heard a report indicating that President Kennedy had been shot.Mr. M.E.Flesner,District Service Manager JFK Collection: of the Otis Elevator Company; called Mr.Pool and instructed him to go to Parkland Hospital to make sure there was no trouble with·the elevator. Mr.Pool recalls that he had begun eating lunch at approximately ll:30 and.had finished lunch and returned to workwhen he receivedthe assignment to report to Parkland.The GNLIB is approximately one mile away from BSCA (RG 233) Parkland.Pool drove,reaching the hospital at approxi- mately l:00 p.m.at the Hines Boulevard entrance. He was cleared to drive back to the emergency room parking area and was cleared to enter the hospital by Mr.Wright; Chief of Security at Parkland. He places his arrival at the Hines Boulevard entrance at l:oo p.m.and he estimates his arrival at the emergency room elevator at l:l5 p.m. Pool's Co-Discovery of the "Tomlinson" Bullet; Sur- room, Pool was personally taken back to the elevator by what Pool alleges was a Secret Service agent who intro- ducedPooltoasecond personwhoPoolallegeswas also a Secret Service agent.The second agent instructed to Pool topermit no riders toboard the elevator without prior clearance by the second agent. Pool described the second agent as 5'8", 170 pounds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency roon lral and remained there throughout most or all of tay.econd agent as 5'8", 170 pounds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency roon lral and remained there throughout most or all of tay. --- PAGE BREAK ---170 pounds, with dark hair, and stated that this agent was stationed immediately outside the elevator on the emergency roon lral and remained there throughout most or all of tay. --- PAGE BREAK --- ASSASSINATION SYSTEM Memorandum Page 2 January 12,1977 At·the time of his arrival at the elevator itself, Pool noticed a single stretcher standing immediately beside the elevator door,near the wall but not close to or parallel to it.Pool remembers that the stretcher had sheets on it, one that was balled-up on a tray be- neath the upper surface and one crumpled bloody sheet that covered one-half of that surface area.At this time Pool also recognized D.C. Tomlinson,a Senior Engineer at the hospital plant who had been on duty in the elevator as of approximately l:00 p.m.Since Refarence copy; January of 196l, Pool's elevator maintenance route had included Parkland, and as a result he knew Tomlinson very well. Prior to his discovery of the bullet,Pool recalls that he and Tomlinson gave another person a ride up to either the second or third floor.Pool cannot remember who the person was except to identify him as a third JFK Secret Service agent.This was the only use of the elevator Poolremembersbeinginvolvedwith beforehe Collection: discovered the bullet.Pool then recounts the following. Upon returning to the first floor, Tomlinson and Pool exited from the elevator.As they stood in the hallway in front of the elevator, they noticed that the same stretcher which Pool had noticed when he first arrived was still in the same disorderly position.. They then decided to push the stretcher so that its.long side ESCA (RG 233) would stand flush with the wall next to this elevator. Pool cannot recall a specific reason for moving the stretcher other than to get it out of the way，nor can he remember who pushed the stretcher first.He definitely recalis that the bullet was not visible on the surface of the stretcher. Pool heard an object fall from the stretcher as the stretcher was pushed.Pool bent over to pick it up and discovered a bullet which, based on his familiarity with guns, he judged to be a 6mm, i.e. less than a 30-30 cali- ber. He described the bullet as bronze, long; pointed, and smooth and gave this interviewer the opinion that the bullet didn't look like it had hit anything and didn't look like it had been in anything. A Secret Service agent was within ten feet when Pool delivered the bullet: Pool gave the bullet to Tomlinc): hointurngave it to either a Secret Service agent C the security officer,Wright.Pool does not rem owhom Tomlinson delivered the bullet because Tomli:. t arounda corner to deliver it.ullet to Tomlinc): hointurngave it to either a Secret Service agent C the security officer,Wright.Pool does not rem owhom Tomlinson delivered the bullet because Tomli:. t arounda corner to deliver it. --- PAGE BREAK --- Memorandum Page 3 January 12,1977 Pool worked the elevator until the time of Mrs.Kennedy's departure from the hospital with the JFK casket, then went home, having asked Mr. Tomlinson not to mention his nametoanyone. Analysis and Recommendation Pool's testimony con- tradicts or qualifies the testimony of the Warren Com- .mission,D.C. Tomlinson （ 6 H 128 ff.） in re Tomlinson"s assertions that (l) the bullet was visible on top of the stretcher; (2) that two stretchers were parallel to one Reference another at the time Tomlinson discovered the bullet; (3) the Tomlinson had personally placed a.second.stretcher next to the stretcher already in position near the elevator; (4) that Tcmlinson was alone when he discovered it.Further development of Pool's testimony may con- firm that a Secret Service agent was for a significant period of time close enough to the elevator to plant a bullet; may lead to an identification of that agent; and JFK will reveal the superficiality of the Warren Commission's approach (N.B.6 H 13l, where Tomlinson switches briefly Collection: from I to we; no one asked him what he meant. by we). Further interviewing of Pool and Tomlinson is re- commended. Approach to PoolHe indicates that he is seldom home (214/544-3323) and asks that we ca11 214/RI8-4533 ESCA(RG233) during work hours and page him. 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